I do know bad and good people voting and being part of each political party I know.

And do you think all tyrants or a great number of them are genetically psychopaths?

I do not think that’s the case. A psychopath is characterized by lack of feelings towards people, all people. Many tyrants do love people, and many of their actions are driven because they think their violence is protecting these people. Other may just be because extremist ideologies. But I think few do it because they are just psychopaths.

Nazis were the members of the national socialist party, not it’s voters. Also, while I don’t like alt-right parties, I don’t think they are at the level of the nazi party. Same as it is not true what they say about us being the CCCP.

Judging and trying to punish and discriminate people for their political beliefs is actually against human Rights. Quite a lot of articles in the declaration talk about this. Article 2, 18, 19, 21… It is as is really common for some people to try to suppress other people political beliefs and commit atrocities against them after dehumanizing them for their political thoughts… Who would have guessed!!

It’s not my duty being their friend. It’s my pleasure. As I enjoy their company.

And most people will do. Politically radicalized people tend to be a minority. Just look how many people doesn’t even turn out to the cast a vote. Politics are not that important for many people. When you are inside it seems like it’s the most important thing in the word and everyone number one priority. But the reality is that most people don’t care that much about it, not even to cast a vote, much less to go doing political activism by cutting their friends and family out of their lives to conform with the agenda.

You know privilege or lack of is not a medal you get or that you can chose to have. Just for you to also meditate about, the fact that you feel extra fear and are willing to take more extreme measures about it says nothing about privilege status. I’ve read there are people in maga that are afraid that “white straight males” are in danger and prosecuted by the evil left wing, is every “white straight male” who doesn’t think he is going to be executed by antifa privileged? I don’t think so. Privilege, lack of, or how to get rid of it is a complex issue. You can have fear without privilege, you cannot have neither privilege nor fear and every combination you can think about. A woman that does not feel fear of rape walking alone in the street at night still not have the same privilege as a male walking at night on the same street. Even if the street is safe.

I do think my rights will take an impact for an alt-right government, same as it has happened in USA with trump. But not “public execution” level threat you are portraying here. Of course if we were truly talking about the all right shooting queer people and this person would keep voting them situation will be different. But that’s not the reality I perceive with my senses.

It’s not like there’s a lack of content to train any AI. So who cares.

If it makes you feel better it’s unlike that most of your post or mine are suitable for AI training.

Also giving that search on lemmy is kind of bad any scrapper would have a harder time trying to get useful information out of all our collective garbage.

Any company willing to sink millions into train an AI would probably be better off paying some big social platform and getting good structured data.

The first part of my message was a reference to “Animal farm” the idea of “everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”. We must be careful when trying to buil equality that we do not do it in a manner than “some are more equal that others”. Disregarding people’s opinions because "you are privileged " or "not unprivileged enough " is a way of doing that.

I would cut friendship with a nazi if they say nazi things. This is not the case.

If she would say “I hate homosexual I think we should chemically castrate them”. I would cut ties. That’s not the case. And cutting ties because you think that doing some other action is necessarily implying LGBTphobia seems faulty logic to me. Things have to be proven by themselves, and people deserve to be fairly judged by their words and their actions. She is kinds to LGBT people and doesn’t seem to have hate towards us (only some lack of knowledge) so I won’t label her as hateful towards LGBT.

I think there’s some fundamental notions here. About different people having different realities and understanding of the world that surrounds us. And the importance of putting oneself on other people’s eyes and trying to look from there. Our reality is not, the facto, the only true reality, not even the only correct reality. We may be right about some things, wrong about others. And we all see our perspective of things.

Not to say that everyone gets justified, there are bad people out there, of course. But we could not easily label good people as bad people without reason.

Specially not when it’s just an action of political push. I won’t be a tool in any politician hands. Because, let’s get serious for a moment, we both know that this derives from the “Cut ties with anyone MAGA related” political movement that the Democratic party of the US is pushing for their own interest. I’m not only unwilling to bend to such political dogma, I do think is a bad long term strategic decision. As it will create hard to fix scars in their country, pushing towards a more violent and divided future. Because at the end it’s more easy to shoot someone you hate (someone that you don’t even see as a human being) that shooting a friend.

I do not think, or try, to convince anyone to my particular political wing with my friendship (same as it should not be expected that the threat of cutting ties will change anyone’s political dogma). But I do think that if you are friends with some people, these people will have a harder time justifying bad actions towards you. Coming back to my example, my friends do not think the fascist party will prosecute homosexuals, but if they start doing soz I’m pretty sure she will oppose them, because she is friends with multiple homosexuals. If all homosexuals retire their friendship, she may not want to specifically hurt homosexuals, but she may lack any emotional connections to step towards defending them if she sees that they are being hurt.

I just curl and wget everything.

I have player the original arma (operation flashpoint) and Arma3.

And while there is a ton of depth, you can ignore part of it if you want to play more casual.

While you can know all the details of a weapon at a ridiculous level, you do not need to know them to finish the campaign.

For multiplayer I can’t help as I’ve never played it. But I suppose it would depend on the server and which people you play with.

Once again, do not play the privilege card. Not on me, not on anyone. It’s not a convincing argument, and it has not a real base. And it’s somehow discriminatory towards particular groups that you do not consider “unprivileged enough”.

As I say, I do think there is dangers with the party I consider fascist reach power. But my thoughts are irrelevant, I do mot judge people for my thoughts, I judge people for their thoughts. She doesn’t think that, that’s all that matter. And once again, it is very important that I do not think I have the absolute indiscutible truth in my power. I think that party is fascist and will hurt me. But I could be wrong. I like to act with measure. What happens if she ends up being right and in 2 years that party goes into power and do not do anything to hurt me? And I have to live my life knowing I cut a good relationship because something I was wrong about. Maybe some people can live with that, maybe some people can convince themselves that they are never wrong. I cannot. I won’t vote to that party because what I think they may do, that’s proportionate. I won’t talk to a person that hate me because what I am, because there’s no room for mistake there . But I don’t think is adequa to cut a relationship because I think myself better knowing that the other person.

In this instance for instance 6 years ago I said her that I would vote socialist, she said to me that they will steal from me, I said they won’t. Last week police report, big corruption case in the socialist party. I was wrong her was Right. And she didn’t cut our relationship back then, and she is not cutting it right now. Why should I? We all are humans we all could be wrong, she could be right and vox may not discriminate against LGBT or she may be wrong and they will do it. The important thing to me is that she, her self, will not discriminate against LGBT (not too much at least, as I said she has some prejudices, she is conservative after all, it’s not like she is super progressive and it’s been voting to the alt-right by mistake, but they don’t bother me that much, once again I’m very open minded, and their beliefs while conservative are more on the line of moderate conservative, a center right kind of thing).

You do you. I’m just explaining why many people, myself included, do not cut people out because their general political beliefs or the party they vote for. If you feel better doing it, be my guess, that’s your decision.

Don’t play the privilege card on my.

I’m LGBT and not only the “already accepted” letters, some of the not as widely accepted too. I can still be calm even knowing that the party I’m talking about will put me in danger. This other person doesn’t want to put me in danger and she doesn’t think voting for that party would put me in danger. We disagree in that and I respect her thoughts. I don’t feel like cutting social connection over making assumptions that are not necessarily true.

As I said. I’m a very calm person, and in later years politics have been pivoting away from my thoughts, and I don’t get as heated about them as I used to.

And, as I also said, I can be mistaken too. I do think this party will put me in danger. Imagine I cut ties with this person and that they get power (they will in two years top anyway giving current situation). And they truly do nothing that put me in danger. With which face could I look myself in the mirror after that? I prefer to be careful. I think they are dangerous, I will not vote for them. But I won’t start bashing people that vote them for reasons that so not directly imply hurting me.

For instance this person doesn’t even vote them for anything LGBT related. She vote for them mostly out of spite for the current socialist party (which I can see more clear that in some aspect she was right, they were stealing from us).

So giving this situation I really don’t think I could hate this person. And I think many would be in similar positions.

Psychopaths with a clinical diagnosis or just people you don’t agree with and then you label as “psychopath” for a justified extermination?

How could even be property diagnosed if it’s known that a positive diagnosis would mean extermination?

That’s a really dangerous approach, more likely to do far more wrong that right.

We need a way to fix everything that’s wrong with humankind but I do not think that’s the way.

You also should wary of those approaches, in a french revolution scenario of killing all but the true good people the revolutionaries always end up killing each other quite soon.

I don’t like multitudes so no. They tend to be stressful. And for the ones I went alone without knowing anyone I felt a lot of social anxiety.

But sometimes you gotta go even if it’s not pleasant.

On the stupid front, for people not into politics they don’t get the same amount of facts as you to judge things, because they don’t care. So really there may not be that they are very stupid or willingly ignorant, os just, once again that politics does not play that big of a role in their lives.

And there is also a punishment vote. There is people who vote one party to punish other.

We tend to be more kind of the wrongs of our political option. But for some people they are unforgivable.

I suppose that some people would acknowledge that trump is bad, really bad, but for some reason they may think that Biden or the Democratic party is even worse.

Here that happens a lot and it’s going to happen in the next election. It’s not as much as people supporting one party, more like being really against the other party.

Once again, not American, and the places I frequent online are all left leaning. But I would really love to have calm conversations with some trump voters to really know and understand their reasoning. There’s a big chance that not all of them are either blatantly stupid or blatantly evil.

I also like to do the exercise of putting myself in as much perspectives as possible. For instance for truly fascist I’m a dangerous communist that want to do a lot of nasty things. That’s not true, so I always try to think if the things I think about other people may also not be true.

Yo could do that at home. I do.

For many people a gym is a matter of discipline. To force them go and do it.

But for me it works the opposite way, the extra time going to another place dissuades me from going at all. So workout at home works better for me.

Once in WEP days, before smartphones. I was on vacation on this place without internet and I cracked someone’s wifi password to get internet. It was wild how easy was to crack Wi-Fi’s passwords.

I wrote another comment about this friend that votes for a political party that would make Trump look like a liberal. Still not an issue, because we are both very peaceful people and we are not very pushy, so really even if there are differences we don’t try to hurt each other over those differences and we don’t take it as an insult or something of extreme gravity. Because once again, not everyone is extremely political. Even if you think they should be because the current situation mandates doe more political activism or whatever, it doesn’t mean that people are…

And second big reason is the reasons she has to vote for that party. She does it mostly in spite of the socialist party to bring them down because she thinks they are corrupt thieves (and as I said in the other comment sadly it has recently been proven to be right).

Also it’s important to understand that your vision of an opposite political party is not the same vision that the voters of that party have of it. In this example, and I’m sure it applies to trump as well, I think vox is a fascist political party. But she does not, she doesn’t think they are fascists and of course she doesn’t think of herself as a fascist (neither do I). She doesn’t vote it to stablish fascism. I remember saying to her that if they get elected they will cut right for women, she just doesn’t believe that’s going to happen, and that’s it, different believes on what’s going to happen if that party gets elected.

And I’m skeptical on my own knowledge of the future as well, before the current government was elected I said that the government wouldn’t do some things or some other things won’t happen, and those bad things ended up happening and I was wrong about those.

I think a big part of being open minded is knowing that yourself could be wrong, and being able to understand the reasons other people have to believe they are right. Not trying to make up those reasons for my own convenience. It would be easy, and politically convenient, to say that everyone who votes for vox (or trump in that case) is a fascist, but that statement would be closed minded and, probably, radicalized. People are complex, some would vote alt-right because they are fascists, but other would not. When engaging into any kind of relationship with anyone it’s good to listen to the reasons they have for the things they believe in. If a person would be a fascist I wouldn’t be friends of her, but that’s not the same, imho, as voting for a party that I think is fascist.

You tell me. I can tell how I characterize myself.

I used to vote between the far left party and the moderate left party. And for the next election my plan is not vote because they disappointed me big time.

Giving more examples I have this friend, she votes for the alt-right party here (vox). But I get along with here very well. One instance of discrepancy is that while she is not homophobic (she knows I’m bi and she never said to me anything bad because of it) she is on the opinion that “gay people” is more promiscuous. Like she has some of these prejudices but she is not ill meaned, she is also Christian. But I don’t think she is a bad person, and it’s not like she is talking all the time about that or about politics in general. Most of the time when she talked about politics she just said that she was going to vote the alt-right because our current president is a thief. Which giving the current events in my country she might be right on that (big corruption scandal just blew up). But what I mean, is that she has some different opinions and when casting the ballot she votes for this radical party. But our relationship hasn’t been hindered because of that, and she is not even a bad person, she just don’t like the socialist party. And overall we don’t really talk that much about politics, it’s not a central theme for either of us, but even when we talk about it we have never argue, just talk differences calmly and with respect, we never insulted each other because politics.

I get that people on lemmy are usually very political, and a big chunk of their lives orbit around politics.

But for most people that’s not the case.

I think that’s why I see so many comments of people shocked that someone would date other person who would vote for a different political party.

If politics is not a priority on your life it won’t really have much an impact on their relationship.

Talking from experience, I’ve dated people that have voted both the right and the extreme right. And it really didn’t burdened our relationship. You must understand that our conversations usually never pivot about politics, and when we talk about politics we don’t get passionate about it it’s just more like “you think that? Cool I think this other thing. So… what are eating today?”

I suppose in long term when you are all your life with a person overtime there can be frictions, specially if one or both become more passionate about politics.

Most people don’t care that much and they are not that passionate about politics.

For some people politics ideologies is not the central point of their lives. Thus it really doesn’t become something that disallow dating.

I wonder how does that work with federation.

If a second instance does not have that restriction, is there any “legal” effect on the federated content?

Mod hosting seems to be a great usecase for torrent. It only need a suitable frontend and we are golden.